‘Meghan, you give us diva moments!’ Duchess ‘laughs nervously’ as Mariah Carey insists she deserves the title in a podcast interview… before clarifying it’s because of her ‘clothes and posture’
- Meghan Markle was called a ‘diva’ by Mariah Carey in second episode of podcast
- The Duchess of Sussex, 41, admitted she was sitting in ‘quiet revolt’ at the ‘dig’
- Mariah was quick to reassure Meghan that she was referring to her posture, her clothing, her ‘gorgeous ensembles’ and that it was meant as a compliment
Meghan Markle was called a ‘diva’ by Mariah Carey in the second episode of her Archetypes podcast on Spotify.
The Duchess of Sussex, 41, admitted she laughed nervously and was sitting in ‘quiet revolt’, worrying that her ‘girl crush’ on the popstar was ‘coming to a quick demise’ after the 53-year-old claimed Meghan had ‘diva moments’.
Mariah was quick to reassure Meghan that she was referring to her posture, her clothing, her ‘gorgeous ensembles’, according to the Duchess, who confessed she first thought her guest was making a ‘dig’.
The Duchess called on the superstar singer to support her Archetypes show following her friend Serena Williams’ episode last week. This week’s – which was released today – is called The Duality Of Diva With Mariah Carey.
Meghan Markle (pictured with Prince Harry in March 2020) was called a ‘diva’ by Mariah Carey in the second episode of her Archetypes podcast on Spotify
The Duchess of Sussex (pictured), 41, admitted she was sitting in ‘quiet revolt’, worrying that her ‘girl crush’ on the popstar was ‘coming to a quick demise’ after the 53-year-old claimed Meghan had ‘diva moments’
Mother-of-two Meghan and the American singer talk about the ‘complexities surrounding the word diva’ and the negative connotations associated with it.
‘I think that’s really important for people to remember that there might be this persona, and yes, the diva thing, we can play into,’ said Meghan during the podcast, before adding: ‘It’s not something I connect to.’
However, Mariah was quick to disagree with the Duchess, insisting: ‘You give us diva moments sometimes, Meghan, don’t even act like.
‘What kind of diva moments do I give you?’ a shocked Meghan replied, to which the singer said: ‘Don’t act like…’, before the Duchess questioned: ‘Can you see me right now?’
‘It’s also the visual, it’s the visual,’ Mariah explained. ‘A lot of it is the look, let’s say you, let’s pretend that you weren’t so beautiful and didn’t have the whole thing, and didn’t often have gorgeous ensembles, you wouldn’t maybe get as much diva.
‘I don’t care, I’m like when I can, I’m going to give you diva,’ she added, while Meghan said: ‘That’s the thing, I associate it differently.’
Mariah was quick to reassure Meghan on the podcast (pictured) that she was referring to her posture, her clothing, her ‘gorgeous ensembles’, according to the Duchess, who confessed she first thought her guest was making a ‘dig’
The Duchess called on the superstar singer (pictured in 2019) to support her Archetypes show following her friend Serena Williams’ episode last week. This week’s – which was released today – is called The Duality Of Diva With Mariah Carey
‘Oh man, I love it, she is so Mariah,’ commented the Duchess following the segment, which the singer also insisted: ‘I was playing with you when I said that,’ seemingly referring to her ‘diva comment’.
Later in her podcast, Meghan admitted that she initially thought Mariah was criticising her by calling her a diva, only to learn that she meant it as a compliment.
‘My fangirling was tempered today,’ said Meghan. ‘I kind of think she could tell. But that aside, it was all going swimmingly, really well, until that moment happened, which I don’t know about you, but it stopped me in my tracks. When she called me a diva.
‘You couldn’t see me, obviously, but I started to sweat a little bit and started squirming in my chair in this quiet revolt, like “wait, no, what, how could you? That’s not true, why would you say that?”
‘My mind was genuinely just spinning with what nonsense she must have read or clicked on to make her say that, and I just kept thinking in that moment was my girl crush coming to a quick demise? Does she actually not see me?
‘So, she must have felt my nervous laughter, and you would’ve all heard it too, and she jumped straight in to make sure I was crystal clear when she said diva, she was talking about the way that I dress, the posture, the clothing, the quote, unquote fabulousness, as she sees it.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex at the Service of Thanksgiving at St Paul’s Cathedral in London on June 3, on their last visit to the UK
‘She meant diva as a compliment, but I heard it as a dig, I heard it as the word diva as I think of it, but in that moment as she explained to me, she meant it as chic, as aspirational, and how one very charged word can mean something different for each of us, it’s mind-blowing to me.’
Meghan continued: ‘It actually made me realise, and in these episodes as I’ve opened the door for conversations surrounding archetypes that try to hold us back, what I hadn’t considered is that for some, reclaiming the words is what they feel will propel us forward.’
Elsewhere in the Spotify podcast, part of Meghan and Harry’s £18million deal with the streaming giant, the Duchess said she was only treated like a ‘black woman’ for the first time when she began dating Prince Harry – and that ‘things really shifted’ for her after she entered royal life.
The former Suits star said that she was inspired by the singer when she was a child because Mariah is mixed race. Mariah’s father is African-American and Venezuelan, while her mother is white Irish.
The Duchess, whose estranged father Thomas is white and her mother Doria is black, said that when Mariah first came on the music scene she thought: ‘Oh my gosh. Someone who looks like me. She’s mixed like me’, adding that she was a ‘fan girl’ of the star.
The Duchess of Sussex has given a bombshell interview to The Cut – part of New York magazine
She added: ‘Because we’re light skinned, you are not treated as a black woman. You’re not treated as a white woman. You sort of fit in between.
‘If there is any time where there was more focus on my race it was when I started dating my husband. Then I started to understand what it was like to be treated like a black woman because up until then I was treated as a mixed woman and things really shifted’.
Harry and Meghan’s visit to the UK and Germany
- Monday, September 5: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will travel to Manchester for the One Young World Summit, an event which brings together young leaders from more than 190 countries
- Tuesday, September 6: Harry and Meghan will head to Germany for the Invictus Games Dusseldorf 2023 One Year to Go event
- Thursday, September 8: The Sussexes then return to the UK for the WellChild Awards in London
Mariah replied: ‘But that’s an interesting thing, a mixed woman, because I always thought it should be OK to say I’m mixed, like it should be OK to say that, but people want you to choose.’
Starting the podcast, Mariah tells Meghan: ‘I’m MC, you can call me Mimi, you can call me Mariah, whatever you want.’ The duchess began the conversation by asking the name of Carey’s dogs – Cha Cha and Muttley P Gore Jackson.
Last Tuesday Meghan used episode one of Archetypes with Serena to take a veiled swipe at life in the Royal Family. She also recounted her horror at a time a ‘fire’ broke out in son Archie’s room during a tour of South Africa.
The then-four-month-old was not in the room at the time that a heater began to smoke but it left the duchess ‘shaken’ and ‘in tears’, she told her friend. Despite her upset, she said she was forced to continue with the couple’s official engagements.
Yesterday, in a 6,400-word magazine article to promote the podcast, the Duchess made a series of apparent swipes at the royals, warning she could ‘say anything’ now that she has left the Firm.
Meghan even suggested Prince Harry felt he had ‘lost’ his father over his decision to quit his public duties. But in an extraordinary clarification last night, allies of the couple said the duchess had actually been referring to the breakdown of her relationship with her own father.
Meghan told The Cut magazine: ‘Harry said to me, ‘I lost my dad in this process.’ It doesn’t have to be the same for them as it was for me, but that’s his decision.’ Yesterday a source close to Prince Charles said he would be saddened if Harry felt their relationship was lost, adding: ‘The Prince of Wales loves both his sons.’
In further shock claims, Meghan said the couple felt forced to leave Britain because ‘just by existing, we were upsetting the dynamic of the hierarchy’, while Harry, 37, made his own jibe at the royals, saying: ‘Most people that I know and many of my family, they aren’t able to work and live together.’
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